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They can be classified as a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare[information warfare] (link:https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/信息战[信息战]).
A wise person once said:
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It is impossible to distinguish wumaos, idiots and <<not-chinese,brain washed>> people. So we just call all of them wumaos.
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It has been pointed out however that there is a funny <<slang,slang>> name for brainwashed CCP supporters who are not necessarily paid professional wumaos: "link:https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/小粉紅[小粉紅]" (little pinks)
But of course, the <<ccp-cult,CCP is a cult>> (and <<democracy-is-a-religion,democracy, a religion>>), and therefore <<preconceived,any discussion is also pointless>> in general.
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To a large extent, wumao's goals are to dilute useful conversation with shit, normally <<evil-west>> and <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect>>.
This leads to endless idiotic conversions of type:
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You: Chinese friend, your house is on fire, let's try to put the fire out!
Wumao: I don't care, your house is also on fire!
You: that's true, that fire is also very serious, and I'm trying to put it out!
Wumao: look everyone, his house is on fire! Mine isn't!
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Therefore, it is crucial to have a working algorithmic policy to handle them: <<how-to-deal-with-wumaos>>.
Notable wumaos <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,should be investigated by intelligence agencies>>.
If it is determined that they are knowingly funded by China, they should be put into jail as foreign agents.
There is a tradeoff between privacy rights and snuffing out wumaos, and it is hard to decide where to set the line. But snuffing out wumaos is important, and must be done.
If we were to give up on privacy completely, one possible rule would be: block anyone that lives in China and whose revenue therefore cannot be investigated properly by your government to determine if they are funded by the CCP.
Here are some people completely against blocking wumaos. Those silly Democrats never prepare well enough for war:
* https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/opinion/how-to-counter-chinas-global-propaganda-offensive.html
** it mentions the "Countering Information Warfare Act of 2016" https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2692[], which is exactly what Western countries should do
Wumaos are particularly easy to spot on <<censorship-monitoring,Western websites banned in China>> and when written in English, since there is no way that strong pro-CCP opinions would get any support in such circumstances:
* <<quora>> is completely infested by wumaos as of 2020, see more information on that section
Other names:
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/网军 (online army), example: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Soft_Job/M.1478104872.A.916.html "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" (Is there an emerging wumao army on GitHub?) on <<ptt>>
* 2020-03-12 https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1238076579466674178 <<jennifer-zeng>>'s publishing of purported Wumao guidelines with translation. Translated title: "<<cac,CAC>> (link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberspace_Administration_of_China[Cyberspace Administration of China]) Internal Documentation for Internet Commentators (no spreading)"
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* 2018-09-27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCnnPf2OnHo "Chinese Internet Trolls Get Paid 50 Cents For Every Comment" by <<serpentza-laowhy86,laowhy86>>
* 2017-04-09 https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c.pdf "How the Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction, not Engaged Argument" by "Gary King, Jennifer Pan, Margaret E. Roberts"
* https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/files-05202015150018.html
* 2015-05-20 https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/files-05202015150018.html "Hackers Leak Files Showing Inner Workings of 'China's 50-Cent Army'", hacker group name "Unicorn Nocturne". TODO material, silly reporters that don't give links
* 2014 emails of some Wumaos were hacked/phished and leaked at https://xiaolan.me/50-cent-party-jxgzzg.html (down, no web archive, but https://archive.is/BNNQe[]) revealing operational details
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** https://qz.com/311832/hacked-emails-reveal-chinas-elaborate-and-absurd-internet-propaganda-machine/
毛 (mao2) is a colloquial form of 角 (jiao3) both meaning "one-tenth". Coins actually use 角. See also:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renminbi#Coins The fourth and fifth series Wikipedia currently have a 50 cent picture:
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_series_of_the_renminbi
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_series_of_the_renminbi
* https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8355/角-毛-10-cents-for-money-why
* https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/26832834/六元四角-vs-六块四毛钱
.50-cent coin (五角) from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_series_of_the_renminbi[fourth series of renminbi] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/第四套人民币[第四套人民币], 1987-1997). This image is going to be very useful. Note the beautiful plum blossom drawings reminiscent of <<chinese-traditional-painting>> which <<ciro-santilli>> loves. Note how it uses 角 (jiao3) instead of 毛 (mao2). http://www.bjzxcp.com/article-41679.html[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Wujiao.png[height=400]
[[how-to-deal-with-wumaos]]
===== How to deal with wumaos 如何应对五毛
Above all, never reply intelligently to wumaos. Ignore all their notifications, and ignore their profile wherever possible. And if they start generating too many notifications, block them.
* https://github.com/ckhung[C.K. Hung]'s wumao reply strategy: https://ckhung0.blogspot.com/2017/07/50-cents-party.html
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為什麼我不刪五毛的回應反而要刪你的回應? 因為你只能跟人類講道理, 沒辦法跟原始物種講道理啊!
Why I delete your posts, but I don't delete wumao's posts? Because it is only possible to reason with humans, it is not possible to reason with primitive animals!
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* https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2019/08/【麻辣总局】新型敏感词武器:赵弹磁铁/
[[ccp-apologists]]
If it is ever proven that those people are directly supported by the Chinese government, their nationalities should be revoked, it is very simple.
<<ciro-santilli>> feels that it is unlikely however that the CCP directly pays those apologists, as that would be too risky for both parties.
Rather, Ciro believes that they are either:
* saying that the CCP is good to get more views and ad revenue from CCP supporters that want to hear it from a white (most cases)
* even bigger complete idiots who actually believe China is good (the minority)
Then, when they reach a certain size, the CCP can support them indirectly, notably by featuring them in <<chinese-government-media>> such as <<cgtn>>, e.g. as happened <<nathan-rich>> at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRK1XDlZkng[], in order to boost their views and ad revenue.
For this reason, it is very hard to stop them without quenching freedom of expression.
Ciro's currenty recommended approach is the following: if a proeminent pro-CCP YouTubber never ever criticized the CCP, and it gets featured in CCP media, treat that channel exactly as you should treat CCP media, which is by adding a notice at the bottom along the lines of:
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This account supports the Chinese Government, which is a fucking murderous dictatorship.
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followed by a funny meme image that is forbidden in China, e.g. <<xi-jinping-memes>>.
It would be amazing if we could demonetize the apologist channels only for views coming from Chinese citizens, but that seems hard without completely destroying privacy?
Related discussion at: <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china>>.
It is also interesting to note that many of them don't speak a word of Chinese, or very basic Chinese. It is fine when you say "the CCP is great" as a foreigner, but if you say "the CCP is bad", then <<not-chinese>>.
* 伏拉夫 (fu2 la1 fu1): Russian, says I love China in ridiculously enthusiastic tone which is despised even by the Chinese, samples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMVRdeUrk-8[]
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Video by <<western-dissidents,Lele Farley>> making fun of him and <<nathan-rich>>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSM2_HgXKsM
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It does not feel like he is paid by the Chinese government, but rather that he is just trying to get some views.
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https://www.zhihu.com/question/334923127 如何评价俄罗斯籍中国网红伏拉夫? on <<zhihu>> with 17k likes as of 2020-06.
* Daniel Dumbrill
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Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw
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Clip featured in <<cgtn>>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUjatX2p0dA (http://archive.is/gCeIk[archive]) "Daniel Dumbrill: Hong Kong is far freer since its return to China" supporting <<hong-kong-national-security-law>>
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Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMUA3GeScUI "Daniel Dumbrill: I want my children to be proud of being Chinese"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gygxrdNmzUQ "Speaking With a Uyghur Activist About Xinjiang Abuse" interviews https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat[Arslan Hidayat], who was also interviewed by <<china-uncensored,China Unscripted>>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTUVxw7VXc and appears to be denouncing the oppression. Video description is filled to the brim with links about how the West is using Xinjiang for fake news. TODO how can he make a video with that guy and still live in China? This suggests strongly that his videos obtain direct CCP approval.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNZbDF75dc "Daniel the Pro-China 'Shill'" replies to accusations of being pro-China
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Zeman Carrie Lam supporter
* "Living in China" by Jason Lightfoot: https://www.youtube.com/user/JasonLightfoot Sample video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mjik6q7FFo "The CCP is Wonderful! Thank you China not a government shill 谢谢你中国"
<<nazi>>-related people that come to mind:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce William Joyce
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William Brooke Joyce (24 April 1906 – 3 January 1946), nicknamed Lord Haw-Haw, was an American-born British fascist politician and Nazi propaganda broadcaster to the United Kingdom during World War II. He took German citizenship in 1940.
Joyce was convicted of one count of high treason in 1945 and sentenced to death, with the Court of Appeal and the House of Lords both upholding his conviction. He was hanged on 3 January 1946, making him the last person to be executed for treason in the United Kingdom.
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On <<quora>>: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-there-seem-to-be-an-upsurge-in-CCP-apologists-and-apologism/answer/Ciro-Santilli
TODO decide:
* the JaYoe Nation https://www.youtube.com/c/JaYoeNation Sample video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smnVeGR15GI "Chinese Government Officials Corrupted My Videos! | JaYoe Conversation"
* Mexicanos en China https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgQYtqm1xB2uuNZaOniCH0Q Sample video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a71fDVMBwP8 "Is the CHINESE GOVERNMENT PAYING US to Make Videos: Our Trip to Shaanxi // 中国政府是否付钱给我们制作视频" https://youtu.be/a71fDVMBwP8?t=188 says they were sponsored for the vidieo.
* Gweilo60's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/gweilo60
* Eric Favreliere: https://www.instagram.com/ericfavreliere/
Bibliography:
* https://medium.com/swlh/how-china-is-influencing-youtubers-into-posting-state-propaganda-db72acf18dfa "EXCLUSIVE: How China is Influencing YouTubers into Posting State Propaganda" mentions https://youtu.be/2mQ8plzWl9g?t=520 "They tried to get me to post Chinese propaganda" by J.J. McCullough (2019) was approached to publish an anti-<<shen-yun>> video by what was likely a Chinese agent.
<<reddit>> threads:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/lgkp8t/british_youtubers_paid_by_the_cpp/ about Jason Lightfoot
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Rich
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/内森·瑞克
YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g/videos
As mentioned at: https://medium.com/swlh/how-china-is-influencing-youtubers-into-posting-state-propaganda-db72acf18dfa[]:
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His vlogging career is inexplicably successful. He has 385,000 subscribers on his channel, a huge amount for someone with so little time and so few videos on the platform.".
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https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/au8az3/exscientologist_nathan_rich_is_a_convicted_felon/ mentions another interesting very strong circumstantial evidence:
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His videos feature perfect Chinese in the subtitles along with Chinese video titles, meaning that he is almost certainly having these videos produced by someone else/and or a group of people. I can guarantee that based on his pronunciation of the few Chinese words he says in the video, his Chinese ability should not be anywhere close to fluent.
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* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRqcA04FtmM he says <<serpentza-laowhy86,SerpentZA>> is a fraud "because he criticizes China".
Reception:
* https://www.zhihu.com/question/310502367 "如何评价 B 站 UP 主「NathanRich火锅大王」?" on <<zhihu>>. TODO what is "B站UP"?
* 2020-07-05 <<cgtn>> approves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRK1XDlZkng "Nathan Rich: 'Hotpot King' delivering truth about HK to the world"
2020-06-01 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3941420 "China propagandist Nathan Rich's criminal record revealed" contains an outline of Richs criminal records, with including mugshots. Most of this was already likely known, but it gives good detail. In particular, it comments on the fact that in 2013 Beijing started to more strictly do criminal background checks for VISA applicants: https://www.china-briefing.com/news/non-criminal-record-certificate-required-for-employment-license-application-in-beijing/[], and that Rich managed to get the VISA two years later nonetheless, notably including a drug trafficking charge.
白https://secure.avaaz.org/community_petitions/en/youtubers_social_commentators_anybody_interested_i_remove_youtube_user_nathan_rich_from_google_services/ characterises him as "左五无毛". While this does not seems like a specific expression, and maybe is not even accurate, learning the meaning of "左五" is of interest:
* https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/白左
* https://www.zhihu.com/question/52409116
* https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/40252469
* https://pincong.rocks/question/3559
====== Barrett Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1XG7bJnYqta_ezr12WZp7w
2021-09-21 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/beijing-funds-british-youtubers-to-further-its-propaganda-war-x5gqp5fg0 (on <<reddit>>: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/kto2vj/beijing_funds_british_youtubers_to_further_its/[]) claims that:
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The Times has found that some of their videos were funded by <<china-radio-international,Chinese Radio International>>, a media organisation that has been exposed as the secret owner of an international network of propaganda radio stations.
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In November they visited the Shaanxi district of China with several other foreign YouTubers who live in China and make videos supporting the government.
The trip was organised and funded by the Chinese Radio International and an official press release described the visit as "International Internet Celebrities Witnessing the Happiness of Shaanxi People".
In a candid video about the visit that was subsequently removed, Lee admitted that a trip to a mountain was cancelled so they could witness "propaganda" regarding the area's prosperity.
He said: "It wasn't until the second day they started talking about cutting the trip short by a day, and there was no real reason given for that." A fellow YouTuber Jayoe Nation said: "They had to fit in more propaganda."
Lee replied: "They didn't say that, did they, but that's what happened."
Various videos from the trip show the YouTubers visiting locations in the district including a farm where Oli performed a farcical dance while holding vegetables.
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Father and son British expats: Lee Barrett, the father, and Oli Barrett, the son.
100k subs one year after. Don't speak a word of Chinese it seems, but all videos have full bilingual translation.
Their tone is natural unlike others more exaggerated like <<nathan-rich>>, so maybe they believe in the shit they say? Either that, or they are a good fake by the CCP.
Sample videos:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1mCL7EQrM "China Doesn't Have Free Speech!"
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[[nigel-ng]]
====== Nigel Ng (ungle-roger, mrnigelng, 罗杰叔叔)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Ng
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/黃瑾瑜
2021-01-12:
* https://hongkongfp.com/2021/01/13/uncle-roger-apologises-and-deletes-video-featuring-fellow-youtube-star-who-criticised-china/ "'Uncle Roger' apologises and deletes video featuring fellow YouTube star who criticised China"
* https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55651798 "Uncle Roger comedian deletes video with China critic"
Nigel had published a collaboration video called "Uncle Roger Review UGLIEST DUMPLING EVER" with another YouTubber called https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjkGXhZsu5H64fWuNQNf1Xw[Mikey Chen], who unknown to Nigel, is a somewhat discreet <<falun-gong>> believer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=315&v=nD6792YoOmY[source])
The video then removed solely because of Mikey's believes expressed elsewhere. The apology on Weibo: https://weibo.com/7231497816/JCQPH5vzK[] Excerpt:
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During the process of working with the content-creator, I wasn't aware of his political thoughts and his past incorrect remarks about China. This is my negligence, and I will be more careful when I make content in the future.
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This is the original video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_wKd5UUg4 according to this reaction video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsatmCWeVb8 No archives of the original were made unfortunately.
Nigel had 125k Weibo followers at that point, and reuploads every YouTube video he posts over there with Chinese subtitles: https://weibo.com/u/7231497816[], extremely likely done by paid professionals.
Saying hi: https://github.com/nigeljyng/dotfiles/issues/4
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[[real-username-law]]
==== Real username law (2015)
* 2015-03 China forces real usernames on the net, and provoking ones
** https://advox.globalvoices.org/2015/04/16/new-internet-rules-in-china-target-usernames-avatars-as-subversive-tools/ "New Internet Rules in China Target Usernames, Avatars as Subversive Tools"
** https://www.engadget.com/2015/02/28/china-username-policy-purge/ "Chinese internet giants purge 60,000 accounts for inappropriate usernames"
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And guess which idiotic Western website requires real usernames and no privacy? <<quora>>, of course: https://techcrunch.com/2011/02/14/quora-to-oddly-named-users-papers-please/
==== Journalism
===== Western journalists in China
* 2020-09-21 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/matthew-carney-foreign-journalist-china-intimidation-birtles/12678610 "'You will be put into detention': Former ABC bureau chief tells story of fleeing China for first time"
* 2016 <<video-bbc-local-election-interview-block-2016>>
* 2015 Ursula Gauthier from <<liubukou>>
[[social-credit-system]]
=== Social Credit System 社会信用体系
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/社会信用体系
Coverage:
* 2019-06-04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGB8dCDf3c "A Look Inside China's Social Credit System | NBC News Now" by "NBC News"
* 2018-12-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkw15LkZ_Kw "China's "Social Credit System" Has Caused More Than Just Public Shaming (HBO)" by "VICE News". https://youtu.be/Dkw15LkZ_Kw?t=238[328s] shows how you can donate money to the party to increase your score. This is not a hidden practice, they were filmed and everyone is showing their faces. What a brilliant idea that could never ever lead to corruption! Ciro's jaw just dropped. How can the commies not hide this kind of shit from the West, but hide other stuff the West couldn't care less about?
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=== Chinese foreign interference campaigns
See also:
* <<chinese-interference-in-western-media>>
* <<chinese-interference-in-the-western-education-systems>>
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/一带一路
Related:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperation_between_China_and_Central_and_Eastern_European_Countries Cooperation between China and Central and Eastern European Countries
* 17+1合作
[[communist-youth-league]]
=== Communist Youth League of China 中国共产主义青年团
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Youth_League_of_China
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国少年先锋队
Had a membership of 109 million (by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_National_Congress_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China[17th National Congress]).
Such state sponsored youth organizations are a hallmark of <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>, and serve both as an indoctrination device, and as a selection tool for future politicians:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth[Hitler Youth] was the <<nazi,Nazi Germany>> youth organization
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol[Komsomol] was the Soviet youth organization
One may argue that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scout_Association[the scouts] are https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/creator-of-taggart-reveals-the-human-stories-behind-an-unlikely-and-unsettling-alliance-on-the-eve-of-wartherell-be-no-more-murders-tv-sleuth-writer-rules-out-comeback/[a similar organization in the West], but one notable difference is the scale of such dictatorship-led youth organizations.
Related news:
* 2020-02-19: https://supchina.com/2020/02/19/communist-youth-league-patriotic-idols/ "The Communist Youth League Thought It Was Creating Patriotic Idols. Instead, It Started A Conversation About Women's Rights". The anime-style mascots are named Jiangshanjiao 江山娇 and Hongqiman 红旗漫.
[[young-pioneers-of-china]]
==== Young Pioneers of China 中国少年先锋队
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneers_of_China
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国少年先锋队
<<brainwashed-by-usa,Brainwashing>> for kids younger than the <<communist-youth-league>>.
[[xi-salute-young-pioneers]]
.Xi Jinping basically <<nazi,Nazi saluting>> representatives attending the 7th National Congress of the Chinese Young Pioneers in Beijing, June 1, 2015. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/01/c_138108706.htm[Source] (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/01/c_138108706.htm[biased]).
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/一孩政策
http://ftp.iza.org/dp3214.pdf suggests that a 1% increase in the male/female sex ratio raised violent and property crime rates by some 3%, mentioned with percentage error at https://youtu.be/DytBlcScGNk?t=1304
[[rule-of-law]]
=== Rule of law 法治
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/法治
The commies keep saying over and over that rule of law is always observed.
Of course, some times shitty laws are passed, and we must fight those as well: <<follow-the-law>>. But many times, the commies don't even bother setting up a bad law, they just fuck a million people and that's it.
But in reality they punish anyone who poses a political threat, even if they did nothing wrong themselves, some cases that come to mind:
* <<xinjiang>>: millions were jailed/forced to live with a spy in their homes, even though they were not terrorists themselves
* <<falun-gong>>: what did they do wrong to other people that deserves putting them in jail? Is <<flg-medication>> enough to justify that? Are you sure that it is not a political motivation?
* <<the-709-crackdown>>: even lawyers who support anyone who went against the state are imprisoned. How can there be any justice when lawyers are put in jail due to their choice of clients?
* 2020-06 Hao Runze, son of <<hao-haidong>>, lost his job because his father spoke up against the CCP. Did the CCP speak up for him, like the speak up whenever a Chinese citizen gets hurt?
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picking_quarrels_and_provoking_trouble
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/寻衅滋事罪
[[inciting-subversion]]
===== Inciting subversion of state power (煽动颠覆国家政权罪)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inciting_subversion_of_state_power
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/煽动颠覆国家政权罪
Also known in the West as <<richer,voting>>.
[[hurt-the-feelings-of-the-chinese-people]]
===== Hurt the feelings of the Chinese people (伤害中国人民的感情)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/傷害中國人民的感情
[[politically-sensitive]]
===== Politically sensitive (政治敏感)
That's how the censors refer to stuff <<censorship,censored>> for political reasons, e.g.:
* <<ciro-santillis-zhihu-ban-2018-06-25>>
* 知乎的"政治敏感",到底是谁的"政治敏感"呢? (Zhihu's "politically sensitive" is "politically sensitive" to whom?)
* https://jikipedia.com/definition/145472014 "政治敏感"
* http://www.hainmc.edu.cn/news/info/1018/1870.htm "习近平三招教你培养政治敏感性、预见性" (Xi Jinping's three methods teach you to <<flg-cult,cultivate>> political sensitivity and predictability).
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This stuff could have come directly out of <<nineteen-eighty-four>>'s "thoughcrime" references.
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On the website of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Medical_University[Medical University], the CCP is infiltrated everywhere.
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Related: <<xi-jinping-thought>>.
Typing that on Google also suggested "People also searched for: 网络审查利弊" (What are the pros and cons of censorship?) Priceless. Bomb at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/150[]. <<dictatorship-variability>> comes to mind.
[[residential-surveillance]]
===== Residential Surveillance at a Designated Location (指定居所监视居住)
More accurately: in prison at a secret location, and without the rights to see who you wish, not even a lawyer.
=== Support for non-scientific traditional practices
This is especially interesting given that one of the main propaganda reasons for banning <<falun-gong>> was <<flg-medication>>:
* <<xu-xiaodong>> reveals support for Tai Chi
* 2020-06-03 Beijing considering censoring anti Chinese traditional medicine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/beijing-draws-up-plans-to-outlaw-criticism-of-traditional-chinese-medicine
[[drink-tea]]
=== Police invite to drink tea (被请喝茶)
* <<zhihu>> https://www.zhihu.com/question/60504957 "被请喝茶是怎样的体验?"
* <<pincong>> https://pincong.rocks/question/7226 "请大家都来曝光下身边被请喝茶或者拘留的例子,让葱油们引以为戒,让更多的人看到土共的凶残"
[[central-party-school]]
=== Central Party School of the Communist Party of China (Central Party School, 中共中央党校, 中央党校))
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Party_School_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中共中央党校
University to train the next dictators
Website: http://www.ccps.gov.cn/ (Central Committee Party School).
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== Chinese companies
=== Zoom
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom
American company, with Chinese-born now American Citizen CEO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan[Eric Yuan] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/袁征[袁征]), migrated to the US around 1997), and development teams largely China-based to reduce costs.
News:
* 2020-12-18: China-based exec Xinjiang Jin (https://cn.nytimes.com/technology/20201221/zoom-tiananmen-square/[靳新江]), AKA Julian Jin, charged with sabotaging Zoom conferences, FBI issued a wanted warrant for him.
** 2020-12-22 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-zoom-violated-its-own-terms-service-access-china-s-n1252092 summarizes a bit more details about the block
** https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55372493 "US charges ex-Zoom employee with shutting down Tiananmen Square events"
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Zoom statement:
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"We learned during the course of our investigation that the China-based former employee charged today violated Zoom's policies by, among other things, attempting to circumvent certain internal access controls," it said.
It added that the employee "took actions resulting in the termination of several meetings in remembrance of Tiananmen Square and meetings involving religious and/or political activities" and "also shared or directed the sharing of a limited amount of individual user data with Chinese authorities".
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** https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/xinjiang-jin
** (possible uncofirmed linkedin) https://www.linkedin.com/in/julien-jin-953615175/[]: Zhejiang University, (ex?) CISCO Webex. Work start date of 1981 could be birth date to enlarge work experience, and that would reach the correct age of 39.
* 2020-06-10 <<zhou-fengsuo>>'s account as blocked after a celebration of <<tiananmen>>, which was attended by many people from China. The account was later reinstated, Zoom said it acted on a CCP request on error, and it won't do this for users outside of China anymore:
** https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zoom-video-commn-privacy/zoom-says-china-demanded-shutting-activists-accounts-over-tiananmen-event-idUSKBN23I3GP "U.S. lawmakers ask Zoom to clarify China ties after it suspends accounts"
** https://www.axios.com/zoom-closes-chinese-user-account-tiananmen-square-f218fed1-69af-4bdd-aac4-7eaf67f34084.html "Zoom closed account of U.S.-based Chinese activist 'to comply with local law'".
** https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DM3ccTe70yzqCDPu9uXlCD7WmfJq-yzvKdKBH0oppc/edit
.2020-03-27 photo showing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson[UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson] using Zoom on a Cabinet meeting (a high level Government meeting) during <<corona>>. If you don't properly ban risky dictatorship-linked software, it will get used at the highest levels of Government by clueless people. https://news.sky.com/story/coronairus-cabinet-talks-held-on-zoom-days-after-software-was-banned-by-ministry-of-defence-11963889[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Zoom_Boris.jpg[height=400]
[[huawei]]
=== Huawei (华为)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/华为
Just look at the Chinese name of the company:
* 华 (China)
* 为 (to do something for)
How can the West not see this?
No proof is needed. They belong to a <<dictatorship>>, and therefore must not be trusted. Doing so is always a risk which we should not take.
Also have a look at their Wikipedia page:
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Ren sought to reverse engineer foreign technologies with local researchers. At a time when all of China's telecommunications technology was imported from abroad, Ren hoped to build a domestic Chinese telecommunication company that could compete with, and ultimately replace, foreign competitors.
During its first several years the company's business model consisted mainly of reselling private branch exchange (PBX) switches imported from Hong Kong. Meanwhile, it was reverse-engineering imported switches and investing heavily in research and development to manufacture its own technologies. By 1990 the company had approximately 600 R&D staff and began its own independent commercialization of PBX switches targeting hotels and small enterprises.
The company's first major breakthrough came in 1993 when it launched its C&C08 program controlled telephone switch. It was by far the most powerful switch available in China at the time. By initially deploying in small cities and rural areas and placing emphasis on service and customizability, the company gained market share and made its way into the mainstream market.
Huawei also won a key contract to build the first national telecommunications network for the People's Liberation Army, a deal one employee described as "small in terms of our overall business, but large in terms of our relationships". In 1994, founder Ren Zhengfei had a meeting with Party general secretary Jiang Zemin, telling him that "switching equipment technology was related to national security, and that a nation that did not have its own switching equipment was like one that lacked its own military." Jiang reportedly agreed with this assessment.
Another major turning point for the company came in 1996 when the government in Beijing adopted an explicit policy of supporting domestic telecommunications manufacturers and restricting access to foreign competitors. Huawei was promoted by both the government and the military as a national champion, and established new research and development offices.
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At any point the Chinese government could make a request that they cannot deny.
List of bad things Huawei has done: https://github.com/evil-huawei/evil-huawei Mostly not political.
Some news:
* 2021-01-13 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55634388 "Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech". Related: <<em_nation_type_uygur-2020>>
* 5G 2019-2020
** in 2020 the UK was trying hard to get kicked out of the 5 eyes in 2020 by using 5G equipment from Huawei
** 2020-06-25 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-53178998 "Huawei's £1bn research centre near Cambridge approved" so despite all the 5G stuff, the UK still allows them to create a new research center in the UK... are they blind?
** https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/28/tech/huawei-5g-uk/index.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20200129023355/https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/28/tech/huawei-5g-uk/index.html[archive]) "UK will allow Huawei to help build its 5G network despite US pressure"
** 2020-04-17 only after more than 10 thousand people died in the country during <<corona>> did the brits finally change their minds: https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/uk-moves-to-drop-huawei-as-5g-vendor-citing-china-coronavirus-transparency/ "UK moves to drop Huawei as 5G vendor, citing China coronavirus transparency"
* 2018-12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meng_Wanzhou[Meng Wanzhou] (孟晚舟), daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei (任正非) and Huawei CFO as of 2018, was arrested in Canada because the US accused her of breaking Iran sanctions
** https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-michael-kovrig-michael-spavor-canadian-detainees-china-explainer/ "Why are Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor still detained in China?" in apparent retaliation, under accusation of espionage.
** 2020-05-27 https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/27/canada-court-finds-against-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou-on-double-criminality-extradition-trial-to-continue/ "Canada court finds against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou on double criminality; extradition trial to continue"
* 2019-11 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/29/has-huaweis-darkest-secret-just-been-exposed-by-this-new-report/#7896db9d4061 "Has Huawei's Darkest Secret Just Been Exposed By This New Surveillance Report?" Xinjiang Papers reveal the extent of Huawei's involvement in <<xinjiang>>
."When you send a good joke from your Huawei phone", <<xi-jinping>> is also listening and laughing with you, girls. https://i.redd.it/nodgcqmwtcg31.jpg[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/When_you_send_a_good_joke_from_your_Huawei_phone.jpg[height=600]
.<<rebel-pepper>> 2018-12-10 "Why does the whole world hate me" Huawei cartoon, where Huawei's shadow shows the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle[hammer and sickle] to suggest that Huawei is controlled by the CCP. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/Huawei-cartoon-12102018152050.html[Source].
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.<<rebel-pepper>> 2019-03-08 showing Huawei slapping the Statue of Liberty with "The Constitution of the United States" when Huawei sued the US Government for violating the Constitution when it banned government agencies from buying Huawei equipment. This illustrates the usual dilemma where <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,China uses Western freedom of speech as a weapon against the West itself>>. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/chinashuawei-03082019162541.html[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huawei_Statue_of_Liberty.jpeg[height=400]
.Cartoon showing a huge China flag branded USB sucking up Western personal and military information like a vacuum cleaner in 2019-04-29 article entitled "Britain will regret doing business with Huawei". TODO cartoon author. https://retro-blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/britain-will-regret-doing-business-with-huawei/[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/China_USB_theft.jpg[height=400]
.Cartoon suggesting that Huawei's 5G is a like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse[Trojan Horse] being gifted to Europe. TODO: source of original non-China generic Trojan Horse background image that was edited and repurposed. https://twitter.com/DaichiWatanbe/status/1231189285325475840[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huawei_5G_Trojan.jpg[height=400]
.<<rebel-pepper>> 2019-06-22 cartoon depicting Germany, Hungary and the United Kingdom as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gollum[Gollum]s from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings[The Lord of The Rings] and China as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron[Sauron] offering a ring which reads "5G to rule them" and "Huawei" to the Gollums who are eager to obtain it. This is a reference to The Lord of the Rings backstory in which Sauron bribed and controlled the rulers of the world by giving them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Power[rings of power]. Now that Ciro thinks about it, maybe this was actually Tolkien making a reference to the political situation of his time. https://twitter.com/RadioFreeAsia/status/1100504518142365698[Source].
image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Huawei_5G_my_precious.jpg[height=400]
[[tiktok]]
=== TikTok (Douyin, 抖音)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/抖音
News:
* 2020-11-05 https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-censor-china-critical-content-uighur-uighurs-2020-11?r=US&IR=T "A senior TikTok executive admitted the company used to censor content critical of China, 'specifically with regard to the Uighur situation'", related to: <<xinjiang-re-education-camps>>
* 2020-07 https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/23/tiktok-creator-fund-200-million-us/ "TikTok unveils $200 million fund for U.S. creators": TikTok is trying to buy their stay in the West.
* 2020-07 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/#5265c8d734ef "pple Suddenly Catches TikTok Secretly Spying On Millions Of iPhone Users" by reading from the clipboard
* 2020-06 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53225720 India bans TikTok after Ladakh border tensions
* 2020-05 <<liu-keqing-singer>>
* 2019-11-28 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/28/tiktok-says-sorry-to-us-teenager-blocked-after-sharing-xinjiang-videos[]: "TikTok sorry for blocking teenager who disguised Xinjiang video as make-up tutorial". Subtitle: "Chinese-owned video sharing platform blocked Feroza Aziz after she posted film disguised as makeup tutorial"
* 2019-11 https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/11/25/20976964/chinese-americans-censorship-wechat-hong-kong-elections-tiktok
Reports:
* 2020-08 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3982027 photo of ByteDance top brass with CCP members in Beijing and description of their meeting. Because obviously they have strong ties with the CCP like any other Chinese company.
* 2020-03 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/fug8i1/the_chinese_tiktok_just_began_an_uninterrupted/ "The Chinese Tik-Tok just began an uninterrupted propaganda stream." during <<corona>>
* https://twitter.com/JoshuaDummer/status/1280877750245453828 "Wife trying livestreaming on Douyin. Comes over to me in the middle of a stream and puts me on camera. After about a minute, notice pops up saying that foreigners are not allowed to appear on livestreams 'without permission'."
** https://twitter.com/JoshuaDummer/status/1280881420047511552/photo/1
** https://twitter.com/JoshuaDummer/status/1280882119913291776/photo/1
Douyin does not seem to have a web interface: https://www.zhihu.com/question/269102675 "有没有抖音网页版或者抖音电脑版?"
[[baidu]]
=== Baidu (百度)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu
The "Google of China":
* Search engine: original business and still served at the toplevel domain
** https://www.baidu.com/
** Autocomplete suggestion for "Ciro Santilli": "cirosantilli的妻子" (Ciro Santilli's wife and Children)
** Clearly and obviously censors pages with <<keyword-attack,keywords>>, e.g.:
*** https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=Ciro%20Santilli%20Stack%20Overflow["Ciro Santilli Stack Overflow"] hits https://stackoverflow.com/users/9160762/ciro-santilli and not https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245/ciro-santilli-郝海东冠状病六四事件法轮功 which has way greater reputation (https://web.archive.org/web/20200807071610/https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=Ciro%20Santilli%20Stack%20Overflow[archive]). For example, a much smaller account with a much more common name hits: https://stackoverflow.com/users/763246/james-hill | https://web.archive.org/web/20200807072446/https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=james%20hill%20stack%20overflow
*** https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=cirosantilli%20github["cirosantilli github"] does not hit https://github.com/cirosantilli (https://web.archive.org/web/20200807071807/https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=cirosantilli%20github[archive])
*** but there does appear to be a manual aspect to the block possibly. For example, Ciro's top answer does hit, even though he has keywords in the page: https://www.baidu.com/s?&wd=dependencies%20devDependencies%20peerDependencies to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18875674/whats-the-difference-between-dependencies-devdependencies-and-peerdependencies (https://web.archive.org/web/20200807072151/https://www.baidu.com/s?&wd=dependencies%20devDependencies%20peerDependencies[archive])
*** Pages censored in China do hit outside of China at least however, e.g.: https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=twitter first hits https://twitter.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20200807071312/https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=twitter[archive])
* Tieba blogging
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu_Tieba
** https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/百度贴吧
** https://tieba.baidu.com
* Maps
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu_Maps
** https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/百度地图
** Google Maps is not allowed to film in China for Streetview, so Baidu has its own
* Analytics
** https://tongji.baidu.com/web/help/article?id=174
** 百度统计代码介绍
** the <<cac>> uses their analytics as of 2020
* Baike wiki
** https://baike.baidu.com/
** The leading Chinese Wikipedia
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu_Baike
** https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/百度百科
** obviously completely censored, e.g.: <<baidu-baike-censorship-of-hao-haidong>>
** seems to not have edit history. That would be bad for censorship :-)
[[alibaba]]
=== Alibaba (阿里巴巴)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/阿里巴巴集团
==== Jack Ma's disappearance (2021)
Got bitchslaped by Xi, 3 months disappearance:
* 2021-02-16 https://web.archive.org/web/20210219160944/https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-blocked-jack-mas-ant-ipo-after-an-investigation-revealed-who-stood-to-gain-11613491292 "China Blocked Jack Ma’s Ant IPO After Investigation Revealed Likely Beneficiaries. Well-connected Chinese power players, including some with links to political families that represent a potential challenge to President Xi". Mentioned specifically are Jiang Zhicheng
* https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/23/the-strange-case-of-alibabas-jack-ma-and-his-three-month-vanishing-act
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== Chinese censorship companies
[[dahua-technology]]
=== Dahua Technology (大华股份)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahua_Technology
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/大华股份
Facial recognition, used in <<xinjiang>>.
==== EM_NATION_TYPE_UYGUR (2020)
https://twitter.com/q3k/status/1322943395497680897 highlighted a snippet of code:
....
//民族
public static class EM_NATION_TYPE extends MyStructure
{
public static final int EM_NATION_TYPE_UNKNOWN = 0; // 未知
public static final int EM_NATION_TYPE_UYGUR = 1; // 维族(新疆)
public static final int EM_NATION_TYPE_OTHER = 2; // 其他
public static final int EM_NATION_TYPE_UNIDENTIFIED = 3; // 设备未识别
}
....
indicating that <<xinjiang,Uyghurs>> are particularly targeted for facial recognition by Dahua.
The code is present in official downloads from:
* https://dahuasecurity.s3-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/soft/20200421/General_NetSDK_ChnEng_JAVA_Linux64_IS_V3.052.0000001.0.R.200407.zip
* http://web.archive.org/save/https://dahuasecurity.s3-ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/uploads/soft/20200421/General_NetSDK_ChnEng_JAVA_Linux64_IS_V3.052.0000001.0.R.200407.zip
* SHA256: f8052a5d19db090d155eae05ce5bf39177d4151ab46f7c454a1670b7b62a5d81
which was visible from: https://www.dahuasecurity.com/support/downloadCenter/softwares?child=3&page=2 under download name "General_NetSDK_ChnEng_JAVA_Linux64_IS_V3.052.0000001.0.R.200407" before being taken down after the reports:
* up 2020-11-03 https://web.archive.org/web/20201103025846/https://www.dahuasecurity.com/support/downloadCenter/softwares?child=3&page=2
* down 2020-11-04 https://web.archive.org/web/20201104220410/https://www.dahuasecurity.com/support/downloadCenter/softwares?child=3&page=2
The code was spotted mirrored on GitHub, likely unofficially, but it was soon taken down, archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20201102065525/https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gaomingbo/dahua-netsdk/master/src/main/java/com/dahua/lib/NetSDKLib.java
<<ciro-santilli>> downloaded it from the official website and verified that the code in question was there.
Discussions:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/jmo42m/china_makes_use_of_video_software_tailored_for/
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24960749
On 2020-11-20, Dahua DMCAed https://github.com/cirosantilli/epps-service at https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-25-Dahua.md which had been forked https://github.com/gaomingbo/epps-service from https://web.archive.org/web/20201102170146/https://github.com/cirosantilli/epps-service but Ciro is not sure it contains anything of particular interest, he had just forked all repos from gaomingbo. That one appeared to be just a car plate recognition sytem.
Related:
* 2021-01-13 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55634388 "Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech", see also: <<huawei>>
.Slide from a presentation of the Knowlesys Hong Kong social media censorship/misinformation company with words "Social Media as Weapons", "Your Enemy", leaked by the CCP_Unmasked hacker group on 2020/08/20, possible <<telegram>> account: https://t.me/ccp_unmasked[]. The leaks also contained data on Yunrun Big Data Service, a company based in Guangzhou, and OneSight, based in Beijing. From this hack they apparently also managed obtained passwords used by those companies to manage CCP social media, and they posted some messages about their efforst through those accounts. Western countries have also used terrorism as an excuse way to reduce privacy/start wars, but of course, things are much worse in dictatorships where there is no freedom of speech, related <<evil-west>>. https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/dyzewz/hackers-leak-alleged-internal-files-of-chinese-social-media-monitoring-firmscv[Source].
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[[zhenhua-data-leak]]
=== Zhenhua Data leak (深圳振华数据信息技术有限公司, 2020)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenhua_Data_leak
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/深圳振华数据信息技术有限公司
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/14/zhenhua-data-full-list-leak-database-personal-details-millions-china-tech-company
Or to Ciro's other online presences, due to China activity.
For Zhihu backlinks, see: <<zhihu-questions-related-to-ciro-santilli>>.
* 2020-09-09 https://www.xataka.com/servicios/github-inesperado-ultimo-reducto-libertad-expresion-gran-firewall-que-pone-jaque-intereses-china "Github, el inesperado último reducto de libertad de expresión ante el 'Gran Firewall' pone en jaque los intereses de China", Spanish for "Github, the unexpected last stronghold of freedom of expression before the 'Great Firewall' puts the interests of China in check" basically talking about <<cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism>>. Links to https://github.com/cirosantilli/chenmei-caiwei-ziyou under link text "Terminus2049" which is a bit misleading, could be a link mistake, led to 15 unique clicks. Contacted author at: https://twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1307717620863467522
* 2020-05-23: traffic reached 3k views on that day, compared to a normal 150, but the number of individual users is the same as always. The accessed pages were only meta repo pages like "Issues", "Wiki", "Stargazers" so either of:
** someone attempted a baby DDoS with wget and a single IP
** someone is scraping repository metadata, e.g. Chinese secret service or some other commercial bot that landed here by chance for the first time
* 2020-05-09: http://lj.rossia.org/users/perfect_kiss/36513.html Google translated of about in that website: "LJ.Rossia.org (LJR) is a nonprofit project created to support freedom of speech, develop civil society and promote free exchange of views."
* 2020-04-21: 4 hits from https://raidforums.com/ but can't locate it, maybe coming from their very fast temporary chat wall
* 2019-10-31: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6595454363743981568/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20191101094814/https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6595454363743981568/[archive]) "Good rundown of all the major news from China you don't see. Notice how you don't see anything about the Hong Kong protests anymore?"
* 2019-10 https://github.com/kon9chunkit/GitHub-Chinese-Top-Charts/blob/7131e2c1158a806f41c8f55308977048b02d2959/README-Part2.md Automatically generated list of repos with Chinese characters in their descriptions with the most upvotes per programming language. TODO why is this repo on their README-Part2 only? Has more stars than some stuff on main README.
* 2019-10-12: https://hacpai.com/article/1570686552645 Login required, cowards. Post title: "更新 GitHub 官方 Repo 的人,竟然是个反华分子". Manual page dump after my replies with links to this FAQ: https://ia801505.us.archive.org/27/items/cirosantilli/hacpai_1570686552645.html OP then deleted my comments because they don't speak English "HacPai 是个文明的社区,不会发生辱骂的现象,你有你的观点,我们有我们的观点。但抱歉,我们的水平有限,没有阅读英文的能力,还请发送有效回复,否则只能折叠处理". It is some developper website: https://hacpai.com/article/1440573175609 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190811205230/https://hacpai.com/article/1440573175609[archive]) linked to https://github.com/b3log/solo[]. OP then made an useless post here: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/70 As of 2019-10-12, I can't login there anymore, either because the website is shitty, or I was blocked. GitHub login just fails silently, cannot reset password. If blocked, cowards. This led me to update: <<reply-policy>> with the canned reply.
* 2019-09: https://admin.github.com Someone from GitHub has been thinking about us. s2 to you.
* 2019-09-13 https://twitter.com/sang_what/status/1172692888766959619 (https://archive.is/taPpH[archive]) https://t.co/qag5ekL12F link:https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/thoughts-github-going-china-kevin-xu/
* 2019-06: https://gking.harvard.edu/ interesting. OK, likely due to: https://gking.harvard.edu/category/research-interests/applications/information-control-by-authoritarian-governments but no direct links found though.
* 2019-05: someone used the FAQ to answer a question: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bt1mth/if_i_disappear_chinese_students_make_farewell/eou5a5q/ | https://web.archive.org/web/20190527072431/https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bt1mth/if_i_disappear_chinese_students_make_farewell/eou5a5q/ "'If I disappear': Chinese students make farewell messages amid crackdowns over labor activism"
* 2019-04-10: https://twitter.com/jnzst/status/1115824398961913857 gGTYgFulPg
** https://twitter.com/jnzst/status/1111395254408613888
* 2019-01-10: https://twitter.com/ninoseki/statuses/1083512317952704512 | https://archive.is/vCwep 1300 followers.
* 2018-08: https://www.reddit.com/r/CCJ2/comments/93klir/moron_tries_to_dismantle_chinese_government_by | https://archive.is/HtYng "moron tries to dismantle chinese government by putting a few moon runes on some websites" Peak of 100 unique visitors/day from the base rate of 5
** led to: https://lihkg.com/thread/762440/page/1 <<lihkg>> https://archive.is/7REOi "佢個個人home page好多5毛留言, 唔知會唔會搞到block堆stackoverflow"
* 2018-07: http://4-ch.net/general/kareha.pl/1531480621/l50 | https://web.archive.org/web/20180815081351/http://4-ch.net/general/kareha.pl/1531480621/l50 "No more Xi Jinping"
* 2018-06: https://medarc.org/pac.txt | https://web.archive.org/web/20180712094944/http://medarc.org/pac.txt puts cirosantilli.com in a blacklist containing the likes of asianpiss.com and clearwisdom.net. Awesome. Then I grepped the main one https://github.com/gfwlist/gfwlist with `while true; do git checkout HEAD~; if ! base64 -d gfwlist.txt | grep -q cirosan; then break; fi; done` and found that I was added in 24a6f6f29e24d1d7eb27946bf51d7a072ddb3e6d Tue Apr 24 2018. That is input data for https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/autoproxy/ which turns on a proxy only for certain websites. Therefore that is a definitive list of interesting stuff. I wonder how it is curated.
* 2018-05: a few hits from https://chinadigitaltimes.net but Google cannot find any links
* 2018-05-20:
** https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=425684 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20190701085047/https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=425684
** https://web.archive.org/web/20180520210006/http://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=425684&pid=3954113&page=1&extra=
* 2018-04-13: traffic peak, but no linkbacks. Many new Chinese followers, but few new stars on this repo, maybe they are afraid to star. I also blocked a user from on GitHub due to impolite post. Also possibly linked to me posting a link to the FAQ more clearly on my home page recently: https://github.com/cirosantilli/cirosantilli.github.io/commit/f31d1651c0e7fef587e5910ff2dc1e2aba9a5763
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* 2018-03-11: got a large traffic peak (60 vs 10 average), but no linkbacks to match. Likely source: parcerier pinged me at: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562812_288497 and I revamped the and FAQ replied with https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562840_320914 Someone also made: https://archive.is/jcZCA which points to: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562810_267723 . This issue was opened that day as well: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/12
* 2018-01: https://digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1088&context=cs_etds this site appears on the reference of a PhD thesis paper haha, links to complete-gfw-rulebook-for-wikipedia-v3.0.pdf.
* 2017-05: https://t.co/AosRq06akz TODO where from. "Measuring Decentralization of Chinese Censorship in Three Industry Segments" by Jeffrey Knockel. Now at Citizenlab: https://www.cs.unm.edu/~jeffk/
* 2015-09-03: (deleted) http://www.weibo.com/2014703917/Cyc1gFt7A This is the user: http://www.weibo.com/2014703917 There have also been accesses from link:http://weibo.cn/sinaurl[], but I don't know what that means.
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* 2015-08-03: 21 visitor Facebook peak, can't find the source
* 2015-06-20: (deleted) link:https://www.plurk.com/p/l1jjn4[] Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20150918110032/https://www.plurk.com/p/l1jjn4 "這阿豆阿的名字XDD" by https://www.plurk.com/m/u/cyuanXD
* 2015-05-30: <<zhou-fengsuo>> linked to <<ciro-santilli>>'s stack overflow account!!!
=== V2EX
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/V2EX
Website: https://v2ex.com/
Although this website appears to have some degree of freedom of speech, as of 2020, if you post something that is "unwelcome" an unclear definition or unwelcome, your IP gets immediately blocked and trying to even access the site redirects to a "403 Forbidden nginx" page.
It is therefore impossible to have any political talk on that website, and they should not be trusted.
This happened when Ciro tried to reply to https://v2ex.com/t/378274[] around 2020-07-23 with:
他放弃了https://stackoverflow.com/users/815408 | https://web.archive.org/web/20170602054631/https://stackoverflow.com/users/815408/%E8%AF%B7%E5%B0%81%E6%8E%89ciro-santilli-%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%85%B1%E4%BA%A7%E5%85%9A%E4%B8%87%E5%B2%81
参看我的china repository fb6c69cfec0d4e9008730c0c1a9c42c2d851e678#stack-overflow-anti-dissident-users
and it doesn't seem like there's anything super sensitive in that comment.
They then tell you to contact them if you want to be restored:
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but Ciro did that and there was no reply.
Later on Ciro noticed that his account was giving 400:
* https://v2ex.com/member/cirosantilli
* https://web.archive.org/web/20200511191411/https://v2ex.com/member/cirosantilli
The forum is largely programmer dominated.
It had an <<icp-license>> in 2016, but lost it in 2019 to move servers back to USA, which is extremelly shady. https://zh.greatfire.org/v2ex.com[Blocked in China as of 2020-06] according to <<greatfire>>.
* 2017-07-27 https://v2ex.com/t/378274 (http://web.archive.org/web/20200723082356/https://v2ex.com/t/378274[archive]) "stackoverflow 上的较量。。" http://web.archive.org/web/20200723082356/https://v2ex.com/t/378274 talks about https://stackoverflow.com/users/815408 which is mentioned at <<stack-overflow-anti-dissident-users>>
* 2015-12-23: https://v2ex.com/t/245507 (link:https://github.com/cirosantilli/media/blob/9f7b07e915c4638d45a1b4922ba95c61e2ef87dc/webpages/v2ex-2015-12.html[Chromium CTRL-S save]) "搜 StackOverflow,无意间发现了这个,重点在那个评论" by https://v2ex.com/member/happypy1
* http://v2ex.com/t/214015 TODO restricted without mobile phone confirmation, while most other threads still work. So they must have some kind of restricted posts.
* 2015-04-10: https://v2ex.com/t/182766 (cannot archive, login requires CAPTCHA, link:https://github.com/cirosantilli/media/blob/9f7b07e915c4638d45a1b4922ba95c61e2ef87dc/webpages/v2ex-2015-04.html[Chromium CTRL-S save]) "Stack Overflow 上看到一个丧心病狂的程序员" by https://v2ex.com/member/cloudhunter
When Ciro later checked the above threads on 2020-12-20, he noticed that all of them had been made restricted to logged in members only, while previously only one of them had been.
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https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/品葱
Website: https://pincong.rocks/
Uses a virtual currency system (游戏币): https://pincong.rocks/currency/rule/ Posting articles costs 20 points, and doing stuff like replying gives you a few points.
* 2019-10-30: link:++https://www.pincong.rocks/question/id-10294__sort_key-agree_count__sort-ASC++[] (link:++https://web.archive.org/web/20191101091242/https://www.pincong.rocks/question/id-10294__sort_key-agree_count__sort-ASC++[archive]) "怎么让大陆把 Github 墙了?" How to get GitHub blocked by the Firewall? OP apparently really wants to block it? If yes, <<so-block-cost,LOL>>. Trigerred by some 2019-10 <<notepad>> activity.
* 2019-04-09: https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 | https://web.archive.org/web/20190413063930/https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 "【小众问题】为何 Stack Overflow 2019 开发者调查报告中,来自中国的开发者最为积极乐观?"
** 2019-05: https://community.riskiq.com/search/pincong.rocks Pingong people deciding if they should ban Ciro Santilli? :-) commented there once: https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190810213122/https://pincong.rocks/question/3383[archive]) This also suggests that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RiskIQ helps censorship in China
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<<ciro-santilli>>'s account: https://pincong.rocks/people/cirosantilli
This website might not censor stuff, e.g.: people are using <<winnie-the-pooh>> avatars: https://www.pincong.rocks/people/bushiwumao (https://web.archive.org/web/20200418194038/https://www.pincong.rocks/people/bushiwumao[archive])
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TODO is it blocked by <<gfw>> or not? <<greatfire>> just hangs forever on it, e.g.:
* https://zh.greatfire.org/test?url=https%3A//pincong.rocks
* https://zh.greatfire.org/test?url=https%3A//pincong.rocks/question/6601
<<github>> mirror of selected threads: https://github.com/Project-Gutenberg/Pincong
https://www.mohu.rocks
Website openly anti-CCP, e.g. the signup page has <<xi-jinping>> jokes. Very similar appearance to <<pincong>>, likely same engine. https://pincong.rocks/question/24489 asks what is their relationship "请问一下品葱和膜乎之间是什么关系?"
Backlinks to this page:
* 2020-06-03 https://www.mohu.rocks/article/2227 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200606065812/https://www.mohu.rocks/article/2227[archive]) "专门开一个帖子,以后会把从各处搜刮来的六四学潮的视频、历史、文章之类放在这" (I'm creating this post to collect all the videos, history, articles, etc. that can be found anywhere about the <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square protests>>)
** Then one of the replies by "习羊羊与灰战狼" was "link:https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship[] "提供一个很全的链接,几乎可以算是反共手册。里面的4.7是谈六四的" (Here is one very complete link, it could almost be considered an anti-CCP manual. Section 4.7 of that page is about Tiananmen.) Ciro liked the sound of that very much :-) TODO this also appears on something related to <<terminus2049>>: https://2047.name/e/76182458
== Other sections
TODO migrate all into this README.
. link:censorship.md[Censorship]
. link:media.md[Media]
. link:dissidents.md[Dissidents]
. link:movements.md[Movements against the Dictatorship]
. link:images/[Images]
. link:policies.md[Policies]
. link:stack-overflow.md[Stack Overflow]
. link:stack-overflow-profile.md[Stack Overflow profile]
. Personal
.. link:communities-that-censor-politics.md[Communities that censor politics]
[[anti-dictatorship-songs]]
== Anti-dictatorship songs 反对独裁的首歌
Not necessarily in Chinese or about China specifically.
Brazil had a <<military-dictatorship-in-brazil,dictatorship from 1964 to 1985>>, and some amazing songs were made in Portuguese in that era. <<ciro-santilli>>, who is Brazilian, just cannot stop thinking about some of them in relation to China, notably: <<apesar-de-voce,Apesar de você>>.
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=== Do you hear the people sing (Les Miserables (musical), 1980)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_You_Hear_the_People_Sing%3F | https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/À_la_volonté_du_peuple | https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_You_Hear_the_People_Sing%3F
Cantonese version used in <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests,Hong Kong>>: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/問誰未發聲
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojoC-Kbzpo8 English version taken from a scene of the link:++https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Misérables_(2012_film)++[Les Misérables (2012)] film.
video::ojoC-Kbzpo8[youtube,height=400,width=600]
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxDKhH1iU8 Original French version, overlayed on top of scenes from the miniseries https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo,_ennemi_d%27État["Victor Hugo, ennemi d'État 2018"].
video::dAxDKhH1iU8[youtube,height=400,width=600]
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It3Ny7IY7jA Thousands sing 問誰未發聲 in 26th June 2019 in Hong Kong as a protest song.
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== The best Chinese traditional instrumental music albums 中国传统器乐音乐
Much like <<restaurants,real Chinese food>>, your mind will be blown.
The best approach is to start with the largest multi-artist anthologies available to get a general overview of what is there.
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Then, you can start Googling by instrument. The main four instruments are undoubtedly:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guqin[Guqin]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipa[Pipa]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guzheng[Guzheng]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhu[Erhu]
but there is also amazing content on others including:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suona[Suona]. Sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekqyC1CyfuI
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_(flute)[Xiao flute]
and there is of course the infinite Wikipedia instrument list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_musical_instruments
Quality indicators:
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** on YouTube: "relax" videos with boring generic music.
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Good video covers will show the musicians with their instruments, or Chinese traditional painting.
* good: single instrument solo. There are some good multi-instrument and songs as well though, but harder to find.
Due to the language and political barrier, Chinese traditional music distribution is unfortunately atrocious, so learn what an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Recording_Code[ISRC] is and don't use BitTorrent which the Chinese call "BT".
If you find album cover pictures on Google images, the ISRC should be somewhere on the back.
Other good lists:
* https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-Chinese-classical-instrumental-album
Here are the few best I've seen. Not enough to replace the non-free, but pretty good.
* https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcZOZrP1P_V5J2P3ogZNpya0BAuPEgyuE my "Chinese Traditional Music YouTube playlist with all good music videos I found on YouTube. This will give you an initial idea.
** Notable longer videos
*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZKN-H7at4 42 minute live Guqin presentation by Chen Leiji published by "Asia Society" on Jan 23, 2018, recorded in New York, January 20, 2018.
** Channels
*** https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCltmf0pqjXyLtNsF2vek_wQ 自得琴社 Zi De Guqin Studio. Amazing production.
*** https://www.youtube.com/user/yukinachang/videos "SoundofChina Guzheng" channel with a lot of guzheng content!
*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0CzuA35y8&list=PLXPo1Bj1TYy73e8s99pyKfFD7iHqwigfN "Chinese" by "Ungern Sternberg"
* http://www.silkqin.com/06hear.htm John Thompson's Guqin website. Holy crap amazing list of Guqin pieces by the guy for MP3 download!
** Download all mp3: `wget -r -np -l 1 -A mp3 http://www.silkqin.com/06hear.htm`. Contacted John by email in 2019 telling him to put his stuff on YouTube and offering help.
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** John focuses on playing the tunes in a "historically informed performance", in particular using silk strings rather than metal ones which are used by most modern artists: http://www.silkqin.com/08anal/hip.htm
* https://www.ibiblio.org/chinese-music/ several loose tracks for direct download. Not sure if legal, but has been up forever. The following sections are pretty good:
** https://www.ibiblio.org/chinese-music/html/traditional.html
** https://www.ibiblio.org/chinese-music/html/anthology.html#Dream music from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_of_the_Red_Chamber_(1987_TV_series)link:++https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_of_the_Red_Chamber_(1987_TV_series)++["Dream of the Red Chamber" 1987 TV series]. Amazing!!! See also: <<television-series>>.
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==== Master of Chinese Traditional Music 中国民族音乐大师系列
20-CD anthology.
ISRC of CD 1: CN-E01-04-450-00 / A.J6
Amazon link of CD 1: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QZSWQS (https://web.archive.org/web/20190817223837/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QZSWQS[archive])
Chinese information: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816092018/http://www.gyhj.org/read/179301/1/1
English information with Google Translate: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816090447/https://1337x.unblockninja.info/torrent/1254538/Master-of-Chinese-Traditional-Music-Complete-Series-20-CDs-ABEE/
English song names properly copied from images: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816092313/http://muzz.pro/chinese_instrumental_traditional_music_master_of_chinese_traditional_music_20_albums_2005_mp3_tracks_320_kbps-1625006.html
A search on Amazon leads many of their albums in loose form: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=master+of+chinese+traditional+music&i=digital-music and you can patch together most of them by looking at the following two cover art styles:
TODO golden cover vs gray cover: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QZUFQI (https://web.archive.org/web/20190816082640/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QZUFQI[archive]), TODO find the precise list.
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==== Masters of Chinese Traditional Music Solo Appreciation 中国民乐大师纯独奏鉴赏
14-CD anthology.
ISRC: CN-A50-06-389-00 / A.J6 (seems to be for the whole anthology)
Chinese information: https://web.archive.org/web/20190817072026/http://keai99.com/thread-435767-1-1.html
Publisher: Chinese Musicians' Association | https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国音乐家协会
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==== Chinese Ancient Music 中国古乐
ISRC of CD 1: CN-F13-03-435-00 / A.J6
Publisher: <<china-record-corporation>>.
Amazon link of CD 1: https://www.amazon.com/Zhong-Guo-Gu-Chinese-Primitive/dp/B000S996JO (https://web.archive.org/web/20190817224121/http://www.amazon.com/Zhong-Guo-Gu-Chinese-Primitive/dp/B000S996JO[archive]).
English tracklist and front covers: https://web.archive.org/web/20190817221426/https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1298954
* Treasury Of Chinese Musical Instruments https://web.archive.org/web/20190817225846/https://muzz.pro/chinese_traditional_folk_treasury_of_chinese_musical_instruments_4_cd_s_2005_mp3_tracks_320_kbps-1624801.html
=== Music publishers
[[china-record-corporation]]
==== China Record Corporation 中国唱片总公司
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Record_Corporation | https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中国唱片总公司
The most important publisher, AKA "CRC Jianian".
<<ccp-evil,Government-owned unfortunately>>, their website takes forever to load: http://www.china-crc.com.cn/[], and features mostly Communist shit, and I can't find the decent traditional music listed there.
One thing to try is an Amazon advanced search by label "China Record Co": https://www.amazon.com/s?i=digital-music&rh=p_33%3AChina+Record+Co&s=relevancerank&Adv-Srch-MP3-Submit.x=42&Adv-Srch-MP3-Submit.y=4&unfiltered=1&ref=sr_adv_m_digital
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== Chinese festivals
[[dragon-boat-festival]]
=== Dragon Boat Festival (端午节)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Boat_Festival
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/端午节
The third most important festival in China, after the Chinese New Year and Mid-Autumn Festival.
== Chinese history
[[spring-and-autumn-period]]
=== Spring and Autumn period (春秋时代, 771-476 BC)
[[warring-states-period]]
=== Warring States period (战国时期, 475-221)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/战国时期
For more daily needs, when you don't want to spend more money and time at a restaurant, here are a few nice things you can get from your local Chinese supermarket and quickly make something good to eat.
[[dumplings]]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiaozi
* https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/饺子
A staple food of North-east China.
You can buy them frozen on bags with about 20 for about 4 dollars.
Just boil 10-15 for 10 minutes and you have a decent ready-made meal!
The perfect cooking technique includes:
Ciro Santilli
committed
* at first, before they float, stir often with chopsticks so that they won't stick to the hot bottom of the pan, which will cause the peel to break
* don't ever ever ever overcook. Cook the minimum possible so that it is not raw. This also means taking the jiaozi out of the hot water as soon as they are done.